The Confessions of St. Augustine for the new millenium. A Christian's struggles with bi-sexuality, loneliness and other demons from his past.
Being a Fundamentalist Christian Trapped in a Bisexual Body
Published on June 4, 2004 By thorninmyflesh In Religion
It is not easy wanting to hump cute men, while at the same time having religious principles that tell you whatever you're doing is abhorent. What exarcebates the situation, is the fact that I'm far from being a nominal Christian, I have preached in church and served in the ministry all this time.

I do believe homosexuality is wrong, even though refusing to embrace it seems to be a betrayal of my natural instincts. It is frustrating to know I can never be part of the GLBT community as a whole, simply because for me it is so wrong. Furthermore, being bisexual does exclude me from some aspects of the gay community as well, who abhors the idea of me liking women at all. Since I believe the brand of Christianity is not all that popular in this materialistic society of Self, I am now a minority of a minority of a minority.

So yes, my situation is painted pretty clearly - I am a bisexual who's warring against the homosexual side of me. The query of why I subscribe to xenophobic outmoded religious dogma instead of giving in to my desires is a fairly legitimate one. After all, why torture yourself needlessly when all is demanded is to be free from the shackles of religion? But this is my take on the whole issue.

For me, Christianity works, and outwardly I shouldn't even be thinking that way. Being bi is of course the most obvious one. However, the fact that I am an intellectual and a writer does make it seem strange that I'm embracing a faith that so readily condemns alternative sexualities and even freedom of expression. Yet, I do know that even though the messangers of God condemn, God himself is not so readily condemning, and instead He is good.

In all my sexual brokenness, He is perhaps the only thing I can hold on to, the only thing i can make sense of when my imperfect impoverished mind fail to comprehend whatever the hell is happening to both my body and soul. And furthermore, being in the ministry and serving people opens my eyes to what living life really is.

There is much greater joy in someone saying "thanks dude, for changing my life by your prayers", rather than "wow, you were awesome in bed dude!"

After tasting the goodness of God and the rewards that the fruit of ministry bring into the lives of other broken people, the allure of gay sex and utter pleasure loses its shine. Granted, it may be fun, but everything comes second-best to the One Who Fulfills All Who Seek Him. If it is hedonism I embrace, it will be hedonism in Him. I want to take joy in my Maker. After all, the root Hebrew word for 'knowing' God is the same as having sexual relations.

Same desires. Different avenues.

I have the urge to be dominated. If I strip off the societal constructs of my masculinity, then this urge originates from a spiritual need to be controlled by something higher than myself because I myself am inadequate. The immediate reaction to seek out some hunk who would use me as a piece of meat and bugger me no end in an act of submission on my part. In gay terms, I am a 'bottom'. I am somebody's butt boy.

This urge drives me to my knees. In this position, I got two choices, both acts of submission. One, is to generously blow the hell out of someone, giving him the ride of the lifetime as he hovers superior over me. Two, is to turn my face to heaven and prostrate before Him, and lay my weakness and humanity at His feet.

I have already made my choice, I rather be God's butt boy and get the reward of living the abundant life and knowing the meaning to existence. After all, the Westminster Cathecism proclaims, "The chief end of man is to glorify God and the enjoy Him forever." I say amen to that.

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on Jun 04, 2004
I think you quite like the turmoil that your faith system leaves you in... you seem to be a passionate person that needs not just physical s&m, but overwhelming mind and soul domination. Or maybe you really do love God in the way that your church has presented to you, and you are truly confused about your loyalties. If so, then I feel for you.

But, if this isn't about your need and desire for suffering, then why do you continue to follow a denomination of the church who's views you can't fully believe? You write about your love for God, but also about your'e conflict with the people that tell you how to love and worship him. But the relationship that you have with God is between the two of you, those other people do not matter - listen to him and not to them. Is it not an affront to God to listen to a congregtion of sinners (as the bible calls us) rather than to him (sorry, I'm just playing devils advocate with that one)?
on Jun 04, 2004
That was a very open honest and insightfully well written piece.

on Jun 04, 2004
Hmmm Dune: Yup, you are right that it is not about my need and desire for suffering. As for following a denomination in which I cannot believe - the fact is, I believe even the most profound theology is flawed anyway simply because we're utilising human understanding to understand a God whose beyond our comprehension. Because of our individual flaws, I'm bound to disagree with some of the teachings, but for me that's not really the issue. Christianity is inherently a simple reductionist religion, which comprises of:

a) I am shit.
God is NOT shit.
c) As a result, in the worthiness I gain from believing in a God who is NOT shit, I aspire to love Him and others and make a difference.

And the fact is - people do matter. It is impossible to seperate the head which is Christ from the body. What is life when it is lived for myself, when I die what the hell can I bring with me to the grave? As with humanity there will be conflicts and there will be a whole range of assholes. That's just human nature. My faith may be personal, but it must be edifying to whoever surrounds me as well, if not it is one big cosmic wankjob. And the fact is - I do have Christian support in whatever I'm going through, it's not like the Christian world is my enemy.

You are right about the passion I have. Yet, the urge to be dominated is but a physical symptom of a spiritual yearning - which is fallen humanity's need to connect with Almighty God. To get ass-pounded may seem pretty welcome and the fulfilment is instant, but ultimately its useless because at the core I'm still empty and unfulfilled. Sensuality can only bring one so far.

Just my two cents. Btw trina_p, thanks for your nice comments.

on Jun 04, 2004
MAN.............YOUR ONE SICK FAGGOT!!!
on Jun 04, 2004
I admire your honesty. And I'm so sorry you have to deal with comments like the one above me.
on Jun 04, 2004
"MAN.............YOUR ONE SICK FAGGOT!!!"

Good grief, Marvin, go away. For claiming to be a Christian, you really do seem to have something up your ass. Honestly, if you want to please the Lord, strive to be like Him. It's not like this dudes faults are any less worse than your own. Maybe we need to look at the plank in our own eye before we search out the speck in our brothers.

Just keep seeking the Lord and ask Him to take this desire away from you. You're going through what all Christians go through at times. Flesh verses Spirit. I wrote a private article a few days ago about my struggles with flesh verses spirit. If you'd like I'll email it to ya.

~Sarah
on Jun 04, 2004

You're a confused individual ThornInMyFlesh!!!!!


You need to just "let go" and realize that the rules of "the church" were made from a social standpoint and have nothing to do with god.   Trust your insight, thats what god whats you to do.

on Jun 04, 2004
Wow. I'm not quite sure what to say to your blog because it was thoughtful, well-written, pignantly shocking, really good. In one sense I can't agree with your position but in another I can definately admire it as well. BTW, Marvin is a complete bastard and moron. I hate him every time he comes around my site too. Maybe someone should drop him the message that if you're trying to put somebody down, especially in print, spell/grammar checker might not be a bad way to go. Y-O-U-'-R-E
on Jun 04, 2004
Your honesty is refreshing. There are many many Christians out there who may well feel the same way, but hide their feelings out of guilt and shame. Yes, to be a Christian means sacrifice in the physical realm. It does not mean you (we) are not the same as everyone else, with the same problems, temptations, and confusions that everyone else experiences.

Getting it out into the open like this is a good way to deal with it. While I do not have the same sexually oriented troubles that you are suffering, I do suffer from depression and entertain thoughts of suicide which is an ultimate sin.

I am glad that you choose to rely on God for what you need and that you are so honest about what you are going through. While I am personally disgusted by the thought of a homosexual relationship, I understand that not everyone thinks or feels the way that I do and I respect the fact that you can openly admit your turmoil on the matter.

As to Marvin's comments, I would say that he seriously lacks the compassion and understanding that are the fruits of God's love. I wonder if he truly understands what God's love really means. We are ALL sinners. Every one. Marvin truly lacks a loving spirit and I feel sad for him because he behaves more like a pagan than a Christian.

Thank you Thorn for the honest article about a common problem. Perhaps your article will help someone else out there who is suffering the same things to understand that they aren't so alone.
on Jun 04, 2004
It is not easy wanting to hump cute men, while at the same time having religious principles that tell you whatever you're doing is abhorent. What exarcebates the situation, is the fact that I'm far from being a nominal Christian, I have preached in church and served in the ministry all this time.


My wife insists that I'm actually a faggot who also enjoys sex with women (whether that makes me bisexual, a 'sick faggot', or just a very confused one I neither know nor care, having long ago lost all interest in sexual classifications of that sort. I'm also a christian - of sorts - though if I were to make the full range of my christian beliefs apparent in the church I attend I would soon have to deal with yet another classification, that of heretic.

Awhile ago I made an interesting discovery. There is a religious belief system that perfectly incorporates the main thrust of the judaeo-christian tradition, that allows one to impersonate a 'bible-believing christian' without weighing oneself down with all the baggage of guilt and anxiety that usually accompanies that tradition. In essence you can continue to appear as if believing wholeheartedly in the God that all christians think they know, while actually passing beyond that sad and tawdry illusion, the intellectual child of desert-born peasants such as Paul and embittered urbanites afraid of the consequences of their desires, such as Augustine.

That system has, as its nameless God, that entity able to be identified only by the Tetragrammaton (YHVH). However, uniting the letters of the Tetragrammaton with the letter SHIN, we get the Pentagrammaton (producing Yud Heh Shin Vavh Heh) where SHIN unites in the person of God the divine attributes of masculinity and femininity with physical masculinity and femininity, via the holy spirit. If the Pentagrammaton is prounounced in Hebrew it becomes 'Yay-hah-shu-ah' which is often translated as 'Joshua'. The Greeks, however, contracted these syllables to two, 'yay-su' which in English became 'Jesus'. Just as 'Christ' is not a personal family name but a title meaning 'anointed' and being synonymous with the Hebrew word 'messiah' so too 'Jesus' is not a personal forename but a title also, meaning 'savior of oneself'. By uniting with this nameless God through the divine spirit (ruach elohim), one undergoes a non-vicarious, non-institutionalised salvation that requires no adherence to creed or dogma, no concern with moralities that had their birth two thousand or more years ago, and does not require the denial of one's natural self which you (and I) find utterly abhorrent and in contradiction of the testimony of ruach elohim. You can, with perfect christian legitimacy, become Jesus for yourself.

This nameless God, though existing outside of the self and its universe, is amenable to a form of worship which accords with rather than contradicting the nature of any particular self that comes into contact with it. There need be no division between your sexual life and those acts of worship which you perform. Indeed, your life as a sexual being may, if you so choose, become your worship. Every act that is natural to a being, if directed to God and performed in adoration of God, becomes a form of worship.

You are right about the passion I have. Yet, the urge to be dominated is but a physical symptom of a spiritual yearning - which is fallen humanity's need to connect with Almighty God. To get ass-pounded may seem pretty welcome and the fulfilment is instant, but ultimately its useless because at the core I'm still empty and unfulfilled. Sensuality can only bring one so far.


You may be empty and unfulfilled after sex, but only because you view God from a perspective that enforces that emptiness, that requires it as the price of knowing God as a sinner whose salvation is dependent upon the grace of another, and one who dispenses that grace sparingly. And the urge to be dominated is not just a physical symptom of a spiritual yearning (as if flesh and spirit were not one) but a spiritual yearning of the flesh and a fleshly yearning of the spirit, both of which are entirely natural to any creature that finds itself embodied in human form. For further thoughts on that topic, please read articles such as 'A Defence of Sexual Slavery' which you can find at apollyon-exterminans.joeuser.com.


Sensuality can only bring one so far.


If sensuality is thought of as a hindrance to the life of the spirit, rather than as the life of the spirit in fleshly form - then yes, I agree. But think of it as a motion of the spirit as it is embodied in you, and sensuality can get you as close to God as any celibate ascetic might dream of getting, and perhaps even closer. As you say yourself -

the root Hebrew word for 'knowing' God is the same as having sexual relations.


on Jun 04, 2004
It is not easy wanting to hump cute men, while at the same time having religious principles that tell you whatever you're doing is abhorent. What exarcebates the situation, is the fact that I'm far from being a nominal Christian, I have preached in church and served in the ministry all this time.


My wife insists that I'm actually a faggot who also enjoys sex with women (whether that makes me bisexual, a 'sick faggot', or just a very confused one I neither know nor care, having long ago lost all interest in sexual classifications of that sort. I'm also a christian - of sorts - though if I were to make the full range of my christian beliefs apparent in the church I attend I would soon have to deal with yet another classification, that of heretic.

Awhile ago I made an interesting discovery. There is a religious belief system that perfectly incorporates the main thrust of the judaeo-christian tradition, that allows one to impersonate a 'bible-believing christian' without weighing oneself down with all the baggage of guilt and anxiety that usually accompanies that tradition. In essence you can continue to appear as if believing wholeheartedly in the God that all christians think they know, while actually passing beyond that sad and tawdry illusion, the intellectual child of desert-born peasants such as Paul and embittered urbanites afraid of the consequences of their desires, such as Augustine.

That system has, as its nameless God, that entity able to be identified only by the Tetragrammaton (YHVH). However, uniting the letters of the Tetragrammaton with the letter SHIN, we get the Pentagrammaton (producing Yud Heh Shin Vavh Heh) where SHIN unites in the person of God the divine attributes of masculinity and femininity with physical masculinity and femininity, via the holy spirit. If the Pentagrammaton is prounounced in Hebrew it becomes 'Yay-hah-shu-ah' which is often translated as 'Joshua'. The Greeks, however, contracted these syllables to two, 'yay-su' which in English became 'Jesus'. Just as 'Christ' is not a personal family name but a title meaning 'anointed' and being synonymous with the Hebrew word 'messiah' so too 'Jesus' is not a personal forename but a title also, meaning 'savior of oneself'. By uniting with this nameless God through the divine spirit (ruach elohim), one undergoes a non-vicarious, non-institutionalised salvation that requires no adherence to creed or dogma, no concern with moralities that had their birth two thousand or more years ago, and does not require the denial of one's natural self which you (and I) find utterly abhorrent and in contradiction of the testimony of ruach elohim. You can, with perfect christian legitimacy, become Jesus for yourself.

This nameless God, though existing outside of the self and its universe, is amenable to a form of worship which accords with rather than contradicting the nature of any particular self that comes into contact with it. There need be no division between your sexual life and those acts of worship which you perform. Indeed, your life as a sexual being may, if you so choose, become your worship. Every act that is natural to a being, if directed to God and performed in adoration of God, becomes a form of worship.

You are right about the passion I have. Yet, the urge to be dominated is but a physical symptom of a spiritual yearning - which is fallen humanity's need to connect with Almighty God. To get ass-pounded may seem pretty welcome and the fulfilment is instant, but ultimately its useless because at the core I'm still empty and unfulfilled. Sensuality can only bring one so far.


You may be empty and unfulfilled after sex, but only because you view God from a perspective that enforces that emptiness, that requires it as the price of knowing God as a sinner whose salvation is dependent upon the grace of another, and one who dispenses that grace sparingly. And the urge to be dominated is not just a physical symptom of a spiritual yearning (as if flesh and spirit were not one) but a spiritual yearning of the flesh and a fleshly yearning of the spirit, both of which are entirely natural to any creature that finds itself embodied in human form. For further thoughts on that topic, please read articles such as 'A Defence of Sexual Slavery' which you can find at apollyon-exterminans.joeuser.com.


Sensuality can only bring one so far.


If sensuality is thought of as a hindrance to the life of the spirit, rather than as the life of the spirit in fleshly form - then yes, I agree. But think of it as a motion of the spirit as it is embodied in you, and sensuality can get you as close to God as any celibate ascetic might dream of getting, and perhaps even closer. As you say yourself -

the root Hebrew word for 'knowing' God is the same as having sexual relations.


on Jun 04, 2004
FOR SOME TO REFER TO YOU AS HONEST OR REFRESHING IS AS PATHETIC AS CODDLING THE DEVIATES OF SODOM. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR ANYONE TO BECOME SUCH A MONSTER AS YOU HAVE ALLOWED YOURSELF TO BECOME. YOUR LIKE A HUNDRED DORAIN GREYS. YOUR WEAK. YOUR SPINELESS. YOUR AN UTTER SLAVE TO EVIL. EITHER OVER COME YOUR SICK MENTAL SHORTCOMINGS OR YOUR FATE WILL BE UTTERLY HORRENDOUS.
on Jun 04, 2004
Wow. I'm not quite sure what to say to your blog because it was thoughtful, well-written, pignantly shocking, really good. In one sense I can't agree with your position but in another I can definately admire it as well. BTW, Marvin is a complete bastard and moron. I hate him every time he comes around my site too. Maybe someone should drop him the message that if you're trying to put somebody down, especially in print, spell/grammar checker might not be a bad way to go. Y-O-U-'-R-E



pignantly


LoL. Did you mean poignantly?

definately


Did you mean definitely?

Regardless of how you feel about Marvin, perhaps you should follow your own advice, especially when being critical of someone else's use of language.

on Jun 04, 2004
EITHER OVER COME YOUR SICK MENTAL SHORTCOMINGS OR YOUR FATE WILL BE UTTERLY HORRENDOUS.


No matter how horrendous his fate may ultimately be it certainly can't equal the fundamental horror of having to live inside your skin. The fact of your existence is punishment enough for the crimes you commit simply by continuing to draw breath. However, even small-souled obnoxious creatures like yourself have a right to an opinion (and even opinons, supposing you to have the mental capacity to support more than one at a time), even if it would be more approriate if you were to evolve a little further before expressing them.
on Jun 04, 2004
Now hold on a minute here. You seem to be all over Marvin for his supposed 'rudeness', while you coddle (whatever that means) to thorninmyflesh as if he has done something wonderful by polluting these electrons we all view without the slightest care for those he offends with his treatment of the Holy with such vulgarity. At least Marvin relaxed and drew a breath and returned with an earnest warning for thorn. He is showing much more respect than you who take this obsenity as an oppotunity to trash people who respect and fear He who is able to destroy both body and soul/spirit. I'm going to bed, (because I'm tired) but I think you all ought to fall on your faces and ask God to have mercy on your blinded souls.Good night now.
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